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Our Relations
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Rollo
2007-01-27 08:04:22 UTC
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Even though it carried no romantic subplot and no
superfluous musical numbers this film has always
been considered one of the Boys underrated features.

The main criticism against it seems to be that it is
overplotted. That works fine in print but when presented
with the actual evidence on the screen it tends to fade
away.

Since the storyline involves L & H as a set of twins
overplotting would seem to be a necessary evil.
Unlike their other features "Our Relations" is more
like the Marx Brothers MGM features, a series of
highlight scenes wrapped around a plot. There is
the "conference" by the Boys held in a phone booth
and joined by Arthur Housman (shades of the statesroom
scene from "Night At the Opera"), their confrontation
with Fin at Denker's Beer Garden, both sets of twins
mishaps at the nightclub involving wives and hired goons
and the climax involving gangsters and feet of cements.

The director, Harry Lachman, does a good job of creating a
sense of surreal comic suspense as the Boys tetter in cement
on the edge of a wharf, including a lot of moving camera close-ups
and silent speed shots. The ending is more than satisfying as
both sets of twins finally meet up causing the whole cast to
perform a series of double and triple takes over the revelation--
none more so than Stan & Ollie themselves as they take a series
of headers into the drink all in the name of good comedy.

"Our Relations" and "Way Out West" both bear the name of a
Stan Laurel Production on it and even though some writers contend
that it was only a perfunctory title that Roach gave merely to
appease Stan during a contentious time between the two men the
proof is in the pudding that these two films stand out over the two
previous studio chosen subjects, "Bonnie Scotland" and "Bohemian Girl."

(In both the comedy is great but....alas...there are the subplots)


Gary
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2007-01-27 16:38:35 UTC
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I always likened Our Relations to the Marx Brothers' Duck Soup. Pure
essence of comedy team with no music or sappy love story. One of my
favorites and one that goes over gangbusters with a live audience. I
hope this comes out on Region 1 DVD someday (I know, I know, why don't
we all buy the Region 2 sets?).

Rob Farr
www.slapsticon.org
July 19-22
Post by Rollo
Even though it carried no romantic subplot and no
superfluous musical numbers this film has always
been considered one of the Boys underrated features.
The main criticism against it seems to be that it is
overplotted. That works fine in print but when presented
with the actual evidence on the screen it tends to fade
away.
Since the storyline involves L & H as a set of twins
overplotting would seem to be a necessary evil.
Unlike their other features "Our Relations" is more
like the Marx Brothers MGM features, a series of
highlight scenes wrapped around a plot. There is
the "conference" by the Boys held in a phone booth
and joined by Arthur Housman (shades of the statesroom
scene from "Night At the Opera"), their confrontation
with Fin at Denker's Beer Garden, both sets of twins
mishaps at the nightclub involving wives and hired goons
and the climax involving gangsters and feet of cements.
The director, Harry Lachman, does a good job of creating a
sense of surreal comic suspense as the Boys tetter in cement
on the edge of a wharf, including a lot of moving camera close-ups
and silent speed shots. The ending is more than satisfying as
both sets of twins finally meet up causing the whole cast to
perform a series of double and triple takes over the revelation--
none more so than Stan & Ollie themselves as they take a series
of headers into the drink all in the name of good comedy.
"Our Relations" and "Way Out West" both bear the name of a
Stan Laurel Production on it and even though some writers contend
that it was only a perfunctory title that Roach gave merely to
appease Stan during a contentious time between the two men the
proof is in the pudding that these two films stand out over the two
previous studio chosen subjects, "Bonnie Scotland" and "Bohemian Girl."
(In both the comedy is great but....alas...there are the subplots)
Gary
Matt Barry
2007-01-28 15:37:49 UTC
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Post by Rollo
Even though it carried no romantic subplot and no
superfluous musical numbers this film has always
been considered one of the Boys underrated features.
I could never understand why it isn't discussed alongside their better
works. I wonder if it wasn't as readily available on TV as some of their
other films were (WAY OUT WEST, SWISS MISS) and therefore limited its
exposure. Not only is it very funny, buts its an exceptionally well-mounted
production by their standards and has a great "1930s" pacing and feel to it.
Post by Rollo
The main criticism against it seems to be that it is
overplotted. That works fine in print but when presented
with the actual evidence on the screen it tends to fade
away.
Since the storyline involves L & H as a set of twins
overplotting would seem to be a necessary evil.
Unlike their other features "Our Relations" is more
like the Marx Brothers MGM features, a series of
highlight scenes wrapped around a plot. There is
the "conference" by the Boys held in a phone booth
and joined by Arthur Housman (shades of the statesroom
scene from "Night At the Opera"), their confrontation
with Fin at Denker's Beer Garden, both sets of twins
mishaps at the nightclub involving wives and hired goons
and the climax involving gangsters and feet of cements.
It doesn't have as many memorable individual bits as their other films but
probably plays stronger as a whole. The sequences you mention all come
together neatly and don't have the "isolated" feel that you find in SWISS
MISS or their other large-scale productions.
Post by Rollo
The director, Harry Lachman, does a good job of creating a
sense of surreal comic suspense as the Boys tetter in cement
on the edge of a wharf, including a lot of moving camera close-ups
and silent speed shots. The ending is more than satisfying as
both sets of twins finally meet up causing the whole cast to
perform a series of double and triple takes over the revelation--
none more so than Stan & Ollie themselves as they take a series
of headers into the drink all in the name of good comedy.
Interestingly, Lachman was an Impressionist painter and artist who felt very
passionately about Laurel and Hardy's work and was very excited about the
opportunity to direct them. His visual style brings a very different
approach to this film compared to their others. He also requested Rudolph
Mate as cinematographer, a very interesting choice (imagine, say, Vittorio
Storaro being brought in to shoot a Hollywood slapstick comedy and you can
see how unusual this was). Mate, of course, had a long list of credits, most
notably THE PASSION OF JOAN OF ARC (1928).
Post by Rollo
"Our Relations" and "Way Out West" both bear the name of a
Stan Laurel Production on it and even though some writers contend
that it was only a perfunctory title that Roach gave merely to
appease Stan during a contentious time between the two men the
proof is in the pudding that these two films stand out over the two
previous studio chosen subjects, "Bonnie Scotland" and "Bohemian Girl."
(In both the comedy is great but....alas...there are the subplots)
Gary
Hal Roach always said that Laurel's weakest point was as a story writer (not
gags, but in story construction). Because OUR RELATIONS is a comparatively
heavily-plotted film, this may have limited the amount of extended gag
sequences that could be done. But all in all, the film holds up very well
and is one of my very favorite Laurel and Hardy features, and quite probably
one of the best comedian comedies of the 1930s.
--
Matt Barry
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George
2007-01-29 02:54:22 UTC
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Post by Rollo
Even though it carried no romantic subplot and no
superfluous musical numbers this film has always
been considered one of the Boys underrated features.
The main criticism against it seems to be that it is
overplotted. That works fine in print but when presented
with the actual evidence on the screen it tends to fade
away.
I also never understood the criticism of this film either. Yes, it's a
farce, and in general, the mistaken identify/misunderstanding type comedy
can become tiresome, but:

1): I think the Boys manage to put their unique stamp on it, making it a
very funny film.

2): It's not like they haven't done farce before. Their domestic comedies
generally are farces.

George

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